Opinions – Native Instruments' Guitar Rig 2 – Before buying it ?
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Hi folks, Anyone to give an opinion about the following ? I try to make my mind up, before I buy the GR2. Until now I’ve been using a Line6 POD Pro for recording and live purposes, nicely combining with my Marshall head (‘30th Anniversary’) and cabinet. Since I’m not so much tech wise but understanding, my questions are several: Can it be used in live situations by plugging my guitar in its Food Controller (RK2), plugged in the laptop and the laptop plugged in a guitar amp, or in a power amp (what’s better, amp or PA)? And does it not hide the risk of a laptop freezing up at the very moment ?? Or does it work better if wiring only the RK2 from its balanced 1/4" TRS outputs to the amp or PA ? Will it give really much better results than my real Marshall head and cab? Will it sound better than my POD Pro plugged in the Marshall’s power amp? For recording purposes, of what I read, it must give significantly better possibilities than the Line6 POD. Is this really so? Could the RK2 be used for vocal microphones, or it’s just a guitar and line input dedicated unit ? Thanks for throwing some light on all this. — Bad Disciple "O n e t h i n g I k n o w i s t h a t I k n o w n o t h i n g"
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> Hi folks, > Anyone to give an opinion about the following ? > I try to make my mind up, before I buy the GR2. > Until now I’ve been using a Line6 POD Pro for recording and live purposes, > nicely combining with my Marshall head (‘30th Anniversary’) and cabinet. > Since I’m not so much tech wise but understanding, my questions are several: > Can it be used in live situations by plugging my guitar in its Food > Controller (RK2),
Yes, with limitations. There will be some *latency* between you striking a note and the sound coming out. This depends on the processing power of your computer and the inherent lantency of its soundcard. Can vary from an acceptable 2-3 mS to an unusable 750 mS. Latencies above 10 mS pevent you playing in time with other people (though you may be able to jam along by yourself). It’s a gamble. > plugged in the laptop and the laptop plugged in a guitar amp, or in a power > amp (what’s better, amp or PA)?
PA. You’re using Guitar Rig to emulate an entire FX/amp/cabinet/microphone chain. Further colouration is undesireable. > And does it not hide the risk of a laptop freezing up at the very moment
?? A very real danger. What would be your recovery time from this? Reboot + relaunch Guitar Rig + call up the patch you were using. > Or does it work better if wiring only the RK2 from its balanced 1/4" TRS > outputs to the amp or PA ? > Will it give really much better results than my real Marshall head and
cab? It’ll imitate *everything else* a lot better but your gear will do the best Imitation of a Marshall ;=) It’ll be a hell of a lot lighter to carry! > Will it sound better than my POD Pro plugged in the Marshall’s power amp?
That’s a matter of taste. I’ve used both – they’re both good. > For recording purposes, of what I read, it must give significantly better > possibilities than the Line6 POD. Is this really so?
Yes. Far more possibilities for combinations of elements. Multiple parallel FX chains (if you desire). > Could the RK2 be used for vocal microphones, or it’s just a guitar and > line input dedicated unit ?
There are dedicated patches for Bass, Drums and Vocals. New user patches are being developed and shared all the time. Elmo’ 7#9
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi folks, > Anyone to give an opinion about the following ? > I try to make my mind up, before I buy the GR2. > Until now I’ve been using a Line6 POD Pro for recording and live > purposes, > nicely combining with my Marshall head (‘30th Anniversary’) and cabinet. > Since I’m not so much tech wise but understanding, my questions are > several: > Can it be used in live situations by plugging my guitar in its Food > Controller (RK2), > Yes, with limitations. > There will be some *latency* between you striking a note > and the sound coming out. > This depends on the processing power of your computer and the inherent > lantency of its soundcard. > Can vary from an acceptable 2-3 mS to an unusable 750 mS. > Latencies above 10 mS pevent you playing in time with other people > (though you may be able to jam along by yourself). > It’s a gamble. > plugged in the laptop and the laptop plugged in a guitar amp, or in a > power > amp (what’s better, amp or PA)? > PA. > You’re using Guitar Rig to emulate an entire FX/amp/cabinet/microphone > chain. > Further colouration is undesireable. > And does it not hide the risk of a laptop freezing up at the very moment > ?? > A very real danger. > What would be your recovery time from this? > Reboot + relaunch Guitar Rig + call up the patch you were using. > Or does it work better if wiring only the RK2 from its balanced 1/4" TRS > outputs to the amp or PA ? > Will it give really much better results than my real Marshall head and > cab? > It’ll imitate *everything else* a lot better > but your gear will do the best Imitation of a Marshall ;=) > It’ll be a hell of a lot lighter to carry! > Will it sound better than my POD Pro plugged in the Marshall’s power amp? > That’s a matter of taste. > I’ve used both – they’re both good. > For recording purposes, of what I read, it must give significantly better > possibilities than the Line6 POD. Is this really so? > Yes. > Far more possibilities for combinations of elements. > Multiple parallel FX chains (if you desire). > Could the RK2 be used for vocal microphones, or it’s just a guitar and > line input dedicated unit ? > There are dedicated patches for Bass, Drums and Vocals. > New user patches are being developed and shared all the time. > Elmo’ 7#9
Mmm…yeah… Fair comments. I was afraid it would be that way. Or GR2 is just good for home studio recording purposes. But I heard people saying that it creates problems with other software running together… and even slows down other computer functions. And that the Foot Controller (RK2) is just a source of troubles… So my enthusiasm about the GR2 is slowly going away… We possibly have to wait another 1(2) year(s). Thanks for the comments. — Bad Disciple "O n e t h i n g I k n o w i s t h a t I k n o w n o t h i n g"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> air comments. I was afraid it would be that way. > Or GR2 is just good for home studio recording purposes. > But I heard people saying that it creates problems with > other software running together… and even slows down other > computer functions. And that the Foot Controller (RK2) > is just a source of troubles… > So my enthusiasm about the GR2 is slowly going away… > We possibly have to wait another 1(2) year(s). > My experience with Native Instruments software (Generator, Reactor) is > that they have great ideas, but they rush their stuff to market and its > customers become (enthusiastic depending on the person) beta testers. > The package may be released with promises of features that never see > the light of day or come only a year after the release. The first six > months is spent releasing patches trying to get the rest of the program > to stop crashing. > I can understand why they need to get the software out in a rush, but > after two attempts at using their stuff: I finally became exasperated. > Maybe they’re doing better now though.
I have used Guitar Rig on OS X since shortly after its initial release. I recently upgraded to v2 software but continue to use the original Rig Kontrol foot controler. I have had 0 problems using it both as stand alone and as a plugin with Digital Performer. It never crashes and all of the functions perform flawlessly. On the other hand, I also own NI’s Reaktor Session… it is complete garbage. I can’t run it, stand alone or plugin, for five minutes without it blowing up. regards John
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My experience with Native Instruments software (Generator, Reactor) is > that they have great ideas, but they rush their stuff to market and its > customers become (enthusiastic depending on the person) beta testers. > The package may be released with promises of features that never see > the light of day or come only a year after the release. The first six > months is spent releasing patches trying to get the rest of the program > to stop crashing. > I can understand why they need to get the software out in a rush, but > after two attempts at using their stuff: I finally became exasperated. > Maybe they’re doing better now though. > I have used Guitar Rig on OS X since shortly after its initial release. > I recently upgraded to v2 software but continue to use the original > Rig Kontrol foot controler. I have had 0 problems using it both as > stand alone and as a plugin with Digital Performer. It never crashes > and all of the functions perform flawlessly. On the other hand, I also > own NI’s Reaktor Session… it is complete garbage. I can’t run it, > stand alone or plugin, for five minutes without it blowing up.
I have several NI plug-ins that I use with Cubase – FM7, Battery, Guitar Combos, Kompakt and a couple of programs that NI did with Future Music and Computer Music as special software on cover disks. Almost all of them perform flawlessly, the only one that raises hackles is Kompakt’s completely non-intuitive menu system. The only other thing about Guitar Combos is that it takes up a lot of cycles on my Mac while running in Cubase, to the point where I have to bounce what I’ve recorded to another track and de-load it to continue on – results are worth it, though, especially the ability to re-amp. — Dan Dreibelbis, Guitar Nerd – Better Living Through Home Recording http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=121942 Current song – "Hello (Again)"
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