Amp size around 1965?

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I listened to the UK group Downliners Sect around 1965. They played very loud. Question: How many watts did a guitar amp have in 1965? Klas

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As I recall, the most popular amps in the US were: Fender Deluxe Reverb: 22 W (2 x 6V6) Fender Super Reverb: 40 W (2 x 6L6) Fender Twin Reverb: 80 W (4 x 6L6)

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> I listened to the UK group Downliners Sect around 1965. They played very > loud. > Question: How many watts did a guitar amp have in 1965? > Klas

Fender has 100W amps going back at least as early as 1960. I’m not sure when Marshall, Hiwatt and Orange came out with 100W.

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> As I recall, the most popular amps in the US were: > Fender Deluxe Reverb: 22 W (2 x 6V6) > Fender Super Reverb: 40 W (2 x 6L6) > Fender Twin Reverb: 80 W (4 x 6L6)

There was a blonde Showman back in 1960 rated at 100W.

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And the Vox AC30 was popular then too: 30 watts (4 x EL84) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As I recall, the most popular amps in the US were: > Fender Deluxe Reverb: 22 W (2 x 6V6) > Fender Super Reverb: 40 W (2 x 6L6) > Fender Twin Reverb: 80 W (4 x 6L6) > There was a blonde Showman back in 1960 rated at 100W.

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> > Question: How many watts did a guitar amp have in 1965?

The Twin and Dual Showman of this era were 85 watts. > I’m not sure when Marshall, Hiwatt and Orange came out with 100W.

Hendrix got the first 100 watt Marshalls in late ‘66. rd

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Define loud ! in a club ?Arena ? Super Leads were 4×8 100 watts ..soon followed by 200w … ‘nough said. Fenders offered 100w Twins and Showmans.

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Super Beatle? — "Guitarmen, wake up and pluck wire for sound, let ‘em hear you play"      – CHARLIE CHRISTIAN 1939

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Define loud ! in a club ?Arena ? > Super Leads were 4×8 100 watts ..soon followed by 200w … > ‘nough said. Fenders offered 100w Twins and Showmans.

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>>>Question: How many watts did a guitar amp have in 1965? > The Twin and Dual Showman of this era were 85 watts.

The Fender Field Guide says there was a 100W blonde Showman in 1960. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not sure when Marshall, Hiwatt and Orange came out with 100W. > Hendrix got the first 100 watt Marshalls in late ‘66. > rd

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> As I recall, the most popular amps in the US were: > Fender Deluxe Reverb: 22 W (2 x 6V6) > Fender Super Reverb: 40 W (2 x 6L6) > Fender Twin Reverb: 80 W (4 x 6L6)

Correct. Actually, The ‘65 Twin Reverb w/ a quartet of 6L6’s was 85W. ‘60-’63, The brownface Twin w/ a quartet of 6L6’s (which preceeded the Twin Reverb) was rated at 90W! The ‘63 Vibroverb in brown tolex….2 10’s…Anybody?! The Super Reverb [w/ 4 10's] and Concert…Anybody? The Vibroking….3 10’s… The *whole* pre-PA System mentality Muscle Car approach to amp wattage is fun to document…tube and speaker size-wise; The ‘70-’72 Fender Super Bassman (2 15’s) was rated at 100W and a carried a quartet of 6L6’s. ‘79-’82…Head Only…The 140. A quartet of 6L6’s ‘87 The Twin 2 12’s…a quartet of 6L6’s…100W The ‘93 Tonemaster…2 12’s…a quartet of 6L6’s…100W That’s part of why I love my old ‘80 MusicMan 150 Watt 2 10’s, a quartet of 6L6’s and SS preamp. It ended the race just as the race got ended by a market hip to PA systems… Ah, Johhny Winter and EC. mvm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As I recall, the most popular amps in the US were: > Fender Deluxe Reverb: 22 W (2 x 6V6) > Fender Super Reverb: 40 W (2 x 6L6) > Fender Twin Reverb: 80 W (4 x 6L6) > Correct. > Actually, The ‘65 Twin Reverb w/ a quartet of 6L6’s was 85W. > ‘60-’63, The brownface Twin w/ a quartet of 6L6’s (which preceeded the > Twin Reverb) was rated at 90W! > The ‘63 Vibroverb in brown tolex….2 10’s…Anybody?! > The Super Reverb [w/ 4 10's] and Concert…Anybody? > The Vibroking….3 10’s… > The *whole* pre-PA System mentality Muscle Car approach to amp wattage > is fun to document…tube and speaker size-wise; > The ‘70-’72 Fender Super Bassman (2 15’s) was rated at 100W > and a carried a quartet of 6L6’s. > ‘79-’82…Head Only…The 140. A quartet of 6L6’s > ‘87 The Twin 2 12’s…a quartet of 6L6’s…100W > The ‘93 Tonemaster…2 12’s…a quartet of 6L6’s…100W > That’s part of why I love my old ‘80 MusicMan 150 Watt > 2 10’s, a quartet of 6L6’s and SS preamp. It ended the > race just as the race got ended by a market hip to PA > systems… > Ah, Johhny Winter and EC. mvm

One day Albert King did a tour with three JBL showman cabs on one of these babies….. http://timeelect.com/400-histy.htm But, THAT,….  was after 1965. I just thought, I should mention it though. GREAT freaking guitar amp. Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,        Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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>One day Albert King did a tour with three JBL showman cabs on one of these babies….. >http://timeelect.com/400-histy.htm >But, THAT,….  was after 1965. >I just thought, I should mention it though. >GREAT freaking guitar amp.

I still got buried somewhere one cab left, but in my stupid days, Ampeg sold a SVT with 4 V4 cabs, with Altecs.  I couldn’t afford 4, but I got 2. ONE SVT head running 8 Altecs.   I was hated by everyone, not only because I couldn’t play worth shit, but that I couldn’t control this amp..I doubt anyone could.  The Stones used SVTs for guitar with big ‘SST-era cabs’ full of Altecs. About 10 of them, some in White Tolex.  Faces also used (maybe those same amps) them.  Sheit, Acoustic rented/loaned the same batch of cabs to any band willing to have a pix taken with them.  Zappa/MOI had WALLS of 270s.  The Doors too.  Univox n Plush had Led Zep n Jeff Beck using them.  I guess it beat taking yer own gear out on the road.  Where r they now? The Stones last toured with a few w/tolex SVT heads in their backdrop.  Looks great, even if not hitched up. Music stores used to be ‘Floor-Planned’ with walls and walls of amps.  The thinking, if it’s not in the store, it wouldn’t be sold.  Kustom n Sunn stacked all over the place. Traynor was the rental of choice around here, the local music chain (Chas Bean) was a big dealer.  $8 a night, any amp still there, cab n head.  PAs too, for $12 Now..anyone got info on GBX (schematics for the preamp) or info on the ARB brand.  ?  Shit, if I’m stuck in bead then I gotta be online.  Try not to laugh.. JJT I am frolicsome, I am easy, Good tempered and free, And I don’t give a single pin my boys What the world thinks of me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One day Albert King did a tour with three JBL showman cabs on one of these babies….. >http://timeelect.com/400-histy.htm >But, THAT,….  was after 1965. >I just thought, I should mention it though. >GREAT freaking guitar amp. > I still got buried somewhere one cab left, but in > my stupid days, Ampeg sold a SVT with 4 V4 cabs, > with Altecs.  I couldn’t afford 4, but I got 2. > ONE SVT head running 8 Altecs. > I was hated by everyone, not only because I couldn’t > play worth shit, but that I couldn’t control this > amp..I doubt anyone could.  The Stones used SVTs > for guitar with big ‘SST-era cabs’ full of Altecs. > About 10 of them, some in White Tolex.  Faces also > used (maybe those same amps) them.  Sheit, Acoustic > rented/loaned the same batch of cabs to any band > willing to have a pix taken with them.  Zappa/MOI > had WALLS of 270s.  The Doors too.  Univox n Plush > had Led Zep n Jeff Beck using them.  I guess it beat > taking yer own gear out on the road.  Where r they now? > The Stones last toured with a few w/tolex SVT heads in > their backdrop.  Looks great, even if not hitched up. > Music stores used to be ‘Floor-Planned’ with walls and walls > of amps.  The thinking, if it’s not in the store, it wouldn’t > be sold.  Kustom n Sunn stacked all over the place.

AAhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the good old days when you could feel the music. > Traynor was the rental of choice around here, the local > music chain (Chas Bean) was a big dealer.  $8 a night, > any amp still there, cab n head.  PAs too, for $12

Back then, you could rent for a whole band for what it cost to rent a RI 65 Twin Reverb for a night. > Now..anyone got info on GBX (schematics for the preamp) > or info on the ARB brand.  ?  Shit, if I’m stuck in bead > then I gotta be online.  Try not to laugh.. > JJT

Sorry, no print. Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,        Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers

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